tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22468479.post2683284414042248368..comments2024-03-13T03:16:31.400-04:00Comments on Pushing Rope: Obama's Speech On Race In AmericaMichael Husseyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10798917783817126218noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22468479.post-19669486701299207892008-03-20T15:50:00.000-04:002008-03-20T15:50:00.000-04:00OH but they WERE ... if you read the history of Am...OH but they WERE ... if you read the history of America many cultures were forced here. Through the west indies. <BR/>And, as well, women weren't even counted in the Constitution.<BR/><BR/>Why isn't Hillary playing this anger card?<BR/><BR/>Maybe because I'm here in the Deep south (please come save me) watching what I watch every day. The blacks who were slaves and the whites who 'owned' them have the same handy working relationship they enjoyed for years. They're ALL driving Mercedes now. It's interesting how I came on this information.<BR/>This subject is very skewed.<BR/>Perhaps it is also my ancestry and books that were kept in my home and others we visited growing up. Irish, Scotch, Indian, Dutch, many others... there are many accounts of the FORCED journeys of white slaves in the seventeenth century.<BR/>Until all the reparations stuff came up I thought EVERYONE knew that. <BR/>Here's an accounting similar to what I have read ... <A HREF="http://www.electricscotland.com/history/other/white_slavery.htm" REL="nofollow"> on the subject</A><BR/>excerpt for the lurkers ..> COME ON COMMENT !!! LOL<BR/>The Journal of Negro History #52 pp.251-273 states, “The sources of racial thought in Colonial America pertaining to slave trade worked both directions with white merchandise as well as black.”<BR/><BR/>Thomas Burton recorded in his Parliament Diary 1656-1659 vol. 4 pp. 253-274 a debate in the English Parliament focusing on the selling of British whites into slavery in the New World. The debate refers to whites as slaves ‘whose enslavement threatened the liberties of all Englishmen.’<BR/><BR/>The British government had realized as early as the 1640’s how beneficial white slave labor was to the profiting colonial plantations. Slavery was instituted as early as 1627 in the British West Indies. The Calendar of State Papers, Colonial Series of 1701 records 25000 slaves in Barbados in which 21700 were white slaves.<BR/><BR/>George Downing wrote a letter to the honorable John Winthrop Colonial Governor of Massachusetts in 1645, “planters who want to make a fortune in the West Indies must procure white slave labor out of England if they wanted to succeed.” Lewis Cecil Gray’s History of Agriculture in the Southern United States to 1860 vol.1 pp 316, 318 records Sir George Sandys’ 1618 plan for Virginia, referring to bound whites assigned to the treasurer’s office. “To belong to said office forever. The service of whites bound to Berkeley Hundred was deemed perpetual.”<BR/><BR/>The Quoke Walker case in Massachusetts 1773 ruled that; slavery contrary to the state Constitution was applied equally to Blacks and Whites in Massachusetts.<BR/><BR/>Statutes at Large of Virginia, vol. 1 pp. 174, 198, 200, 243 & 306 did not discriminate Negroes in bondage from Whites in Bondage.<BR/><BR/>We're Irish, English, Welsh, Scottish and Indian. Third generation. I've long noted that my Grandfather made possible for ME things that other Irish do not come by as easily. Or other English. Places like Publix keep them part-time forever ... because they CAN. Slavery is still not over in America or anywhere else.<BR/>I just don't agree that it's a black thing.<BR/>Thank you for pointing out that obama agrees with me ... I have to admit to being over-saturated with his name to the point I skim read.<BR/><BR/>He just irritates me. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, I don't have any idea what nationality anyone who blogs is other than a few obvious ones. I just thought everyone knew that part of history we grew up with ...<BR/>We always knew. If my Grandfather had been on the Titanic I would not be here now because he would have died in the hold while my Grandma would have never met him as she came from 'upper class English' but was a very down to earth woman.<BR/>Over my lifetime I have long noted (but only recently became aware) of the factions fighting for my loyalty and clan-identity. FUCK THAT.<BR/>I'm American through and through. IF America exists anywhere but in my head.<BR/>Sometimes I think there's only about a few hundred of us that actually believe all that constitutional freedom bullshit.<BR/>Anyway .. there's more to the story.<BR/>That's all I want to point out. <BR/>AND, I am every bit as ENRAGED for the blacks as I am for the Irish and black Irish and white irish and etc...<BR/>WHERE is THEIR rage for MY people??<BR/><BR/>Which includes ALL people because ethnocentrism makes me want to hurl.Vox Populihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074487412168968962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22468479.post-22058370273242237862008-03-19T23:48:00.000-04:002008-03-19T23:48:00.000-04:00Vox, he said in his speech that no one thing or pe...Vox, he said in his speech that no one thing or person can be a healer, and he included himself in that sentence. So Obama agrees with you there. <BR/><BR/>As for the slavery issue...<BR/><BR/><I>I think it's kinda sad that he's driving this train.<BR/>Blacks were not the only slaves. Dutch, Irish, Cuban, Indian ... the list goes on.</I><BR/><BR/>They weren't slaves; they chose to come to America. They weren't forced onto ships, packed in like sardines on a wooden boat for a couple months while crossing the Atlantic, forced to live in their own shit and the dead bodies of their friends during transit. They weren't counted as 3/5 of a person during the Constitutional convention. They didn't have to wait until the 60s to get their voting problems solved. They still know their family trees. Etc., etc... This isn't to demean the labor problems that lead to the institution of unions in this country, but the treatment of immigrants who chose to come to America is in no way comparable to that of black slaves.tashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296761263276891805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22468479.post-41651106408911992002008-03-19T19:09:00.000-04:002008-03-19T19:09:00.000-04:00I don't think he's showing what's truly going on. ...I don't think he's showing what's truly going on. I think he's claiming that he is the 'healer'. OF course, I disagree vehemently.<BR/>NO one person can claim to be the healing factor. That's laughable. The thing is that time and love are the only things that will heal the unseen rift between the races. I don't know very many people who do not have black/white/latino mix in their family. So, where's the rift? The rift left is the blacks who hate whites and the whites who hate blacks. Can't help that until these same people stop passing hate on to the next generation.<BR/><BR/>I'm looking around at more interracial marriages and friendships and anything else that the alleged 'two races' can do together and I'm just not seeing all this anger and resentment.<BR/>I think it's kinda sad that he's driving this train.<BR/>Blacks were not the only slaves. Dutch, Irish, Cuban, Indian ... the list goes on.<BR/>It has always kinda upset me as a devoted member of 'eracism' that black folks usurp this anger for themselves.<BR/>Slavery was a travesty; certainly not uniquely American. LOL It's still going on .. they just call it human trafficking. In fact, the DOC uses slave labor almost every day on the roads I drive. They're called inmates. Yep, sometimes in chains, sometimes not.<BR/>Unlike yall, THIS is the speech that makes me want to set down my vow not to bash a democratic presidential candidate and give obama a bash or two.<BR/>I'm no fan of obama.<BR/><BR/>The wool over the eyes.<BR/>Oprah is choosing the next President of the United States.<BR/>Some of the people I respect most are supporting him. I just don't get it.<BR/>I'm very VERY proud of my family's history involving civil rights. But, civil rights aren't just for black folks and certainly, people of color were not the only ones marginalized and FUCKED OVER by America.<BR/><BR/>A big shout out to the Indians.<BR/>If Oprah were an American Indian would we have an American Indian having his say and talking of their pain??<BR/>I'm not impressed.<BR/>Don't yell at me, tas. LOLVox Populihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13074487412168968962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22468479.post-55920838593954190912008-03-18T23:56:00.000-04:002008-03-18T23:56:00.000-04:00I've never heard such a candid speech from a top t...I've never heard such a candid speech from a top tier major party candidate. Here's some comments I made about it at my blog: 'Obama's speech is remarkable for its bluntness and candidness. Some will criticize it as Obama spouting off his boilerplate "change" and "come together" arguments, but he shows a deep understanding of the racial divide in this country and the anger that it has birthed -- and the candidness comes from the fact that Obama is expressing this in head on. He's not backing down from the argument: he's reframing the argument to show what's truly going on.'tashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296761263276891805noreply@blogger.com